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Does Russell believe all Jews will be saved?

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hello? anyone?

[The_Editor]

hello? anyone?

Patience is a virtue....:-)

The short answer is I don't believe CTR believed that "all" of any group would be saved.  Having said that, he was a Zionist and believed in all of the prophecies concerning Israel as being fulfilled throught the fleshly nation.

Regards, Brenden.

[RRD]

Does Russell believe all Jews will be saved?

Yes, Russell believed that all Jews and all Gentiles will be saved. He believed that absolutely all who are condemned in Adam will be saved.

Christian love,
Ronald

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Thank you Ronald and Brendon.

I see a big difference in between you two.

h

[Alexander]

Will 'all' Jews be saved?

Yes, of course.

The point that the apostle Paul made was that not 'all' Jews could ever be of the anointed 'little flock'. Even if the required heavenly number 144,000 had been fulfilled during the first seven years of the offer going out to the house of Israel and the 'door' then 'closed', the rest of 'all' the house of Israel  along with the rest of 'all' mankind would still qualify for a resurrection and the hope of a second chance during the Millennial rule of the Christ.

If this was not so, the purpose of the Sabbath Millennium for the salvation of all those worthy of everlasting life; would become invalid.

Alexander

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I don't think you guys understanding my question.

My question is; "Are all Jews will be saved without accepting Jesus?"

thanks.

[RRD]

I don't think you guys understanding my question.

My question is; "Are all Jews will be saved without accepting Jesus?"

thanks.

All Jews and all Gentiles who are not the "faith" seed of Abraham will be saved, without first accepting Christ, since they will be raised in the last day. They could not be raised from the dead except that the blood of Christ be applied to save, deliver, bring them out of, the wages of that condemnation, which would have been eternal death, had it not been for Christ's sacrifice. -- John 12:47,48; Romans 5:12-19; 6:23; 1 Corinthians 15:21,22; Hosea 13:14.

Those who are of the 'faith' seed of Abraham, on the other hand, are reckoned, counted, as saved from that condemnation by faith in Jesus. -- Acts 26:18; Romans 1:17; 3:27,28; 8:1; Galatians 2:16,20; 3:8,26-29.

No one at all is saved from that condemnation by means of their own works, since that which God has made crooked, none can make straight. -- Psalm 49:7; Ecclesiastes 1:15; 7:13.

Christian love,
Ronald

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Ronald,

You sound like universalist. So everyone will be saved without Jesus, it sounds like.

What's the difference between you and universalist?

h

[The_Editor]

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Ronald,

You sound like universalist. So everyone will be saved without Jesus, it sounds like.

What's the difference between you and universalist?

h

Ronald is only "apparently" disagreeing with my answer.  CTR believed all were ransomed from Adamic death.  To put a negative spin on this, it would be like saying that one no longer has to die for what Adam did, but they can die for what they do.  My point originally was that CTR was not a Universalist, but believed in a fair shot at everlasting life for all.  Ronald's qualifier was "Adamic" salvation.  But I thought your question was on "ultimate" salvation; everlasting life.

Regards, Brenden.

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  But I thought your question was on "ultimate" salvation; everlasting life.

Regards, Brenden.

You are right, that was my question.

[RRD]

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Ronald,

You sound like universalist. So everyone will be saved without Jesus, it sounds like.

What's the difference between you and universalist?

h

The Bible is universalist (if by universalist* one means all mankind), but not after the manner that the word is often used. The universalist, as that word is usually applied, teaches that everyone who is saved is guaranteed to live forever. There are several different forms of universalism that claim that everyone will live forever. There is one form that, in effect, would have it that the ransom sacrifice is not necessary at all; and there others who claim that the ransom sacrifice guarantees that all will live forever.

The Biblical universalism teaches that the sacrifice of Jesus covers all who are dying in Adam, but that the ransom sacrifice covers none who once having so saved by sacrifice, then willfully sins, thereby trodding upon the Son of God and counting th blood of the covenant as nothing, for such there is no sacrifice. (Hebrews 10:26,29) Such receive an condemnation, the condemnation of the second death, from which there is no salvation.

Brother Russell used a little different terminology than I use, for he says that all are saved through the ransom sacrifice, but not all are saved eternally. His meaning being that not all who are once saved will prove to be obedient so as to live eternally.

I would express this differently, however, since the salvation provided by the ransom sacrifice is eternal, in that once saved from that condemnation, it is eternal in that the condemnation by means of Adam will never, ever, again have any hold upon that person. The new creature can never come under that condemnation in Adam. However, until the new creature has overcome, it is still possible for that new creature to be harmed by the second death (Revelation 2:11), if the new creature sins, which sin would be willful in defiance of the ransom sacrifice by which he had become consecrated. Thus, while salvation from the condemnation is permanent, eternal, it does not mean that the new creature can come under a new condemnation, that is, the second death.

The "ransom for all" universalist usually claims that even those condemned to the second death are covered by the ransom sacrifice.

Another form of universalism claims that the act of dying and being entombed pays the sin penalty -- that thus each pays for his own sin, and is then entitled to life, and needs no redeemer to die for his sins, or to ransom him from the power of sheol. (Hosea 13:14) In effect, this teaching fully and totally denies the basis for the ransom sacrifice of Jesus.

Brother Russell offered the following concerning those who take such a view:

An absolute proof of the falsity of this view is furnished in the case of Jairus' daughter (Matt. 9:18,23-25), the widow's son, and Lazarus (Luke 7:11-15; John 11:44), all of whom having died, and thereby, according to this theory, paid their own penalty, should be free from death after Jesus had restored life to them. But they all died again. This is proof that the death of the condemned does not make reconciliation for sin, nor entitle to a release from its penalty. The just must die for the unjust; the Lamb of God must take away the sin of the world ere they can have a right to everlasting life.

In truth, however, while the death penalty pays the wages of sin, such wages would extend forever except that the wages be paid by another to effect a releasing from the wages. Thus, the need for the ransom sacrifice of Jesus. The man Christ Jesus is now forever dead (1 Timothy 2:5,6), since Jesus is no longer a man, a little lower than the angels, but is now a spirit being. (Hebrews 2:9; 1 Peter 3:18) Thus, Jesus fully paid the wages for sin.
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*Strictly speaking, the word "universe" means absolutely everything that exists, which would include God himself. However, by common usage, "universe" rarely means "everything that exists," but is limited by a certain sphere of commonality regarding what is being referred to by the word "universe." If applied to the ransom, the "universe" involved would all who are dying in Adam.


Christian love,
Ronald

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So Russell is not zionist?

h

[RRD]

So Russell is not zionist?

h

Russell believed in the Zionist movement for the Jews, if that is what is meant by Zionist. As far as I know he did not ever call himself a Zionist, evidently because he viewed that term as applying to the Jews, not to Christians. However, others have labeled him a Christian Zionist. Russell did believe that the Jews would return to Israel.

However, regarding Romans 11:26, "And so all Israel shall be saved," Russell wrote:

The thought in this last passage is not that all Israel shall be saved eternally, but merely that all Israel shall be saved from their blindness--in the sense of being recovered from the blindness which came upon them as a people as a result of their national rejection of the Messiah.

---Volume 5, pages 469,470.

As I stated before, however, his usage of the expression "saved eternally" is in reference to actually living forever after having been saved from the condemnation in Adam.

Christian love,
Ronald