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« on: Jul 03, 2007, 12:12 »

Romans 5:9 is often given as a scripture that proves that Jesus is "God", since it refers to being justified by the blood of Jesus.

Romans 5:8-10
8But God commends his own love toward us, in that while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.  9Much more then, being now justified by [Greek, en, instrumental, by means of - Strong's #1722] his blood, we will be saved from God's wrath through [dia, Strong's #1223] him.  10For if, while we were enemies, we were reconciled to God through the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we will be saved by his life.

http://bible.crosswalk.com/Lexicons/Greek/grk.cgi?number=1722
http://bible.crosswalk.com/Lexicons/Greek/grk.cgi?number=1223

The word "by" is the Greek "en", which was being used in the instrumental sense. In other words, God, by means of Jesus' blood offered in sacrifice, now justifies the believer. Jesus' blood is the instrument used by Yahweh.
http://atonement.reslight.net

Note also the word "through" in verse 9. If a work performed by Yahweh "through" Jesus means that Jesus is his God, then Moses is also Yahweh.

Exodus 12:51 - It happened the same day, that Yahweh brought the children of Israel out of the land of Egypt by their hosts
Yahweh alone did lead him [Israel/Jacob - verse 9], There was no foreign god with him. -- Deuteronomy 32:12.

Exodus 15:22: Moses led Israel onward from the Red Sea, and they went out into the wilderness of Shur; and they went three days in the wilderness, and found no water.

Does this mean that since both Mose and Yahweh both delivered the Isralites out of Egypt, that this must mean that Moses is Yahweh? No one seriously claims that Moses is Yahweh, yet according to the reasoning of those who wish to use similar arguments to prove that Jesus is Yahweh, it would seem that these scriptures should definitely prove that Moses is Yahweh. Of course, in reality, Yahweh often takes the credit for what his servants do in his name. (see scriptures below) Just because one scripture says Yahweh did this or that, and another scripture says that Moses, Gideon, Jesus, or another of God's servants did the same, does not mean that any of these are Yahweh.

So how is it that it can be said that both Moses and Yahweh delivered Israel? Taking the Bible as a whole we learn:

Psalm 77:20: You [Yahweh] led your people like a flock, By the hand of Moses and Aaron.

Hosea 12:13 - By a prophet Yahweh brought Israel up out of Egypt, And by a prophet he was preserved.

In this manner it could be said that both Yahweh and Moses brought Israel out of Egypt; it is likewise with the greater Moses, Jesus. -- Deuteronomy 18:15-19.

Jesus is the instrument that God has used to bring justification; this does not mean that Jesus is his God, the only true God, who sent Jesus. -- John 17:1,3.

The idea that there is anything in Romans 5:9 that shows that the agent used by Yahweh is Yahweh himself has to be added to and read into the scripture.

http://godandson.reslight.net/savior.html

In service of Jesus and his God,
Ronald
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