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Isaiah 9:6 For to us a child is born, to us a son is given; and the government shall be  on his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God,  Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
Isaiah 9:7 Of the increase of his government and of peace there shall be no end, on the  throne of David, and on his kingdom, to establish it, and to uphold it with  justice and with righteousness from henceforth even forever. The zeal of Yahweh  of Hosts will perform this. -- World English Bible translation.
 
The Hebrew does not have the definite article, but I do believe that Jesus is a mighty one of power (EL GIBBOR), although I am not certain that the prophet meant this be used in that manner.

The Holy Scriptures no where depicts the Son of God as being his God, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, of whom he is the son. God, by means of his holy spirit, reveals through the scriptures that He, Yahweh  (Jehovah), is the only true God, the God and Father of the Lord Jesus. Jesus has  One who is the Supreme Being over him; Jesus is not his Supreme Being whom he  worships, prays to, and who sent him, and whose will he carried out in willful  obedience. -- Deuteronomy 18:15-19; Matthew 4:4 (Deuteronomy 8:3; Luke 4:4);  Matthew 4:7 (Deuteronomy 6:16); Matthew 4:10 (Exodus 20:3-5; Exodus 34:14; Deuteronomy  6:13,14; Deuteronomy 10:20; Luke 4:8); Matthew 22:29-40; Matthew 26:42; Matthew 27:46; Mark  10:6 (Genesis 1:27; Genesis 2:7,20-23); Mark 14:36; Mark 15:34; Luke 22:42; John 4:3;  John 5:30; John 6:38; John 17:1,3; John 20:17; Romans 15:6; 2 Corinthians 1:3; 11:31; Ephesians  1:3,17; Hebrews 1:9; 10:7; 1 Peter 1:3; Revelation 2:7; Revelation 3:2,12.

God, by means of his holy spirit, reveals through the scriptures that Jesus was  sent by Yahweh, speaks for Yahweh, represents Yahweh, and was raised and  glorified by the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. Jesus never claimed to be, nor  do the scriptures present Jesus as, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, whom  Jesus represents and speaks for. -- Deuteronomy 18:15-19; Matthew 22:32; Matthew 23:39;  Mark 11:9,10; Mark 12:26; Luke 13:35; Luke 20:37; John 3:2,17,32-35; John 4:34; John 5:19,30,36,43;  John 6:57; John 7:16,28; John 8:26,28,38; John 10:25; John 12:49,50; John 14:10; John 15:15; John 17:8,26; John 20:17; Acts  2:22,34-36; Acts 3:13,22; Acts 5:30; Romans 15:6; 2 Corinthians 1:3; 1 Corinthians 8:6; 1 Corinthians 11:31;  Colossians 1:3,15; Colossians 2:9-12; Hebrews 1:1-3; Revelation 1:1.

Isaiah 9:6 refers to a "name" (singular, not a series of names) that the promised Messiah, the son to be given by Yahweh, will be called by: Pelejoezelgibborabiaadarshalom, which has been given the meaning: "Wonderful in counsel is God the Mighty, the everlasting Father, the Ruler of peace." (Isaiah 9:5, some editions of the Jewish Publication Society Translation) Thus, it is not necessary to read the phrase EL GIBBOR as having being a separate "title" or "name" applied to Jesus, but the above rendering would apply all of the expressions to the God and Father of Jesus. I believe that this application of the name is more in harmony with the context of who gives this son, that is, Yahweh. The son is "given" by Yahweh, who, in verse 7, is stated as performing this.

The application of this title, however, is to Messiah after he has been given as a son. There is no application of this title to Jesus in his prehuman existence. The context, however, shows that the application is in reference the Millennial age, when Jesus is to sit on the throne of David, and when the world is to be regenerated in the last day. -- Isaiah 9:7; Isaiah 2:2-4; Matthew 19:28; John 12:47,48.

Nevertheless, the expression "Mighty God" (el gibbor) is applicable to Jesus in a similar, but greater sense, as it was applicable to the Babylonish kings spoken of in Ezekiel 32:21, where the same expression in the plural is used. In that verse, the phrase is not translated as "Mighty Gods", but it is usually translated as something like, "The strong among the mighty." (King James Version) Applying a similar rendering to Isaiah 9:6 would give us "strong one among the mighty", or, if it is to be rendered as a separate title, "mighty one of power." Jesus is indeed a mighty one of power, having been given all the plenitude of might bodily that he needs to carry out the purposes of his God and Father. (Colossians 2:9,10) Jesus, since his resurrection, has also become the "everlasting father," "the life-giving spirit," since it is through, by means of, him that the human race is regenerated / made alive. (Matthew 19:28; 1 Corinthians 15:21,22,45) Those regenerated in this age are regenerated by tasting of the powers of the age to come (Hebrews 6:5), receiving the holy spirit as an earnest, a down payment of that which is to come. (2 Corinthians 1:21; 2 Corinthians 5:5; Ephesians 1:14) None of this means that Jesus is his God and Father, the only true God who sent Jesus. -- John 17:1,3; 2 Corinthians 11:31; Ephesians 1:3.

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« Reply #1 on: May 02, 2008, 03:13 »

Hi RRD,

Thank you for this post also. I really enjoy being further educated.

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