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Author Topic: Isaiah 63:9,10  (Read 736 times)
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« on: Jun 28, 2007, 04:17 »

Isaiah 63:9
In all their distress [He is] no adversary, And the messenger of His presence saved them, In His love and in His pity He redeemed them, And He doth lift them up, And beareth them all the days of old.
Isaiah 63:10
And they have rebelled and grieved His Holy Spirit, And He turneth to them for an enemy, He Himself hath fought against them.

These verses are often submitted as proof of the trinity dogma.

As usual, it is with great imagination that the idea of three persons in one Yahweh is read into these verses, since there is certainly nothing there about three persons in Yahweh. Thus the idea is conjured, added to, and read into the verses.

The angel of his presence designates the cloud that covered the tabernacle for 40 years. Isaiah is reminiscing about how Yahweh delivered the nation of Israel in the past. The holy spirit is Yahweh's finger (in action, power), or his mouth (in words given). God's holy spirit is likened to God's finger (as the power of God). (Matthew 12:28; Luke 11:20) As the revealment of truth, the holy spirit appears to likened to God's "mouth". (1 Kings 8:24; 2 Chronicles 6:4; 36:12,21; Ezra 1:1; Isaiah 1:20; 40:5; 45:23; 48:3; 58:14; 62:2; Jeremiah 9:12,20; Ezekiel 33:7; Micah 4:4; Matthew 4:4; Mark 12:36; Acts 1:17; 28:25; Hebrews 3:7; 9:8; 10:15,16; 2 Peter 1:21) To provoke Yahweh's mouth is to provoke Yahweh himself; likewise, to grieve Yahweh's holy spirit is grieve Yahweh himself. There is nothing in this that means that Yahweh's holy spirit is a separate and distinct person of Yahweh.

In service of Jesus and his God,
Ronald
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